UBI & Inclusive Culture
DisrupTV Episode 362 — with Conrad Shaw, Scott Santens & Sally Helgesen
In this episode of DisrupTV, hosts R “Ray” Wang and Vala Afshar welcome:
- Conrad Shaw, UBI researcher, co-creator of the Bootstraps docuseries and UBIcalculator, co-founder of Income to Support All Foundation
- Scott Santens, prominent UBI advocate and founder of the Income to Support All Foundation
- Sally Helgesen, acclaimed leadership coach and author of Rising Together: How We Can Bridge Divides and Create a More Inclusive Workplace
They explore how universal basic income pilots and leadership culture intersect to shape more equitable and resilient social frameworks.
Why This Episode Matters
Experiencing life under UBI—and building tools like the UBIcalculator—offers a radical lens into economic inclusion. Shaw and Santens share how small-scale income experiments can scale into broader societal impact. Meanwhile, Helgesen transitions the focus to organizational culture, demonstrating how inclusive leadership can bridge divides and elevate team cohesion, offering practical guidance for today’s leaders.
Key Takeaways
Universal basic income initiatives, like those championed by Shaw and Santens, provide tangible data on economic empowerment and small-business stimulation—even in experimental phases. These insights pave the way for discussions around economic fairness and policy innovation. Helgesen’s leadership philosophy complements this by emphasizing the transformative power of inclusion—arguing that sustained progress comes not just from economic reform, but from empathetic leadership that unites people across differences.
Related Episodes
- DisrupTV Ep. 361: Generative AI & the Future of Work
- DisrupTV Ep. 364: Cyber Strategy Meets Generous Leadership
Final Thoughts
DisrupTV Episode 362 offers a compelling intersection of economic experimentation and inclusive leadership. From testing the real-world effects of UBI to understanding how empathy and inclusion drive team performance, this episode acts as a powerful reminder that true progress depends on both innovative ideas and the relational frameworks we build around them.
