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FODN Podcast ep.4 - Unlocking AI’s ROI Potential: Insights from Ray Wang

FODN Podcast ep.4 - Unlocking AI’s ROI Potential: Insights from Ray Wang

 

On this episode of the Future of Decisions Now podcast, R “Ray” Wang — Principal Analyst, Founder, and Chairman of Constellation Research —- discusses agentic-powered decision intelligence and its exponential advantage in the marketplace, revealing the one factor that will define the leaders who will master AI and unlock its value.

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Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu steps back, becomes Chief Scientist

Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu steps back, becomes Chief Scientist

Zoho CEO Sridhar Vembu said he will step down as CEO and become Chief Scientist at the company "responsible for deep R&D initiatives."

Vembu announced the move on X. He also said he will focus on rural development too. Vembu said:

"The future of our company entirely depends on how well we navigate the R&D challenge and I am looking forward to my new assignment with energy and vigor. I am also very happy to get back to hands on technical work."

Zoho co-founder Shailesh Kumar Davey will become CEO. Co-founder Tony Thomas will lead Zoho's US business. Rajesh Ganesan will lead our ManageEngine division and Mani Vembu will lead the Zoho.com division.

Under Vembu, Zoho has cultivated a unique culture that has created disruptive technology in the SaaS market, a model that generates value vs. larger rivals, and builds up offices in smaller communities where it can have a larger impact.

In an interview last year, Vembu outlined the approach.

"It's really about getting closer to the customers at one level, and just talking about business first. But beyond that, it's also putting back into communities that income needed from technology, create good jobs, in smaller communities, which people are not doing enough."

In that interview, Vembu also noted that Zoho has a strong bench. Vembu said Zoho can't run out and hire and have a productive employee in two weeks. "We believe that first we have to nurture the talent and that automatically brings in good people to us over time," he said.

 

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GenAI prices to tank: Here’s why

GenAI prices to tank: Here’s why

Prices for access to generative AI models and features could tank in 2025 amid cheaper foundational models, open source advances and vendors becoming realistic about what customers will actually pay.

Welcome to the only thing in your life that'll be deflationary--generative AI. We're only a month into 2025, but there have been a series of moves indicating that the generative AI gravy train is unlikely because customers will soon be focused on cost per query.

Here are a few reasons why enterprise AI is likely to become less expensive.

Wither add-ons?

Rewind to a year ago and Wall Street was busy modeling revenue growth due to $30 per month per user add-ons for access to generative AI features. Later, those add-on prices became more like $20, but the working theory from vendors was that enterprises will pay for AI that drives productivity.

During this time, the vendors that went for genAI usage and raised prices on their overall SKUs were mocked. Wall Street analysts were almost indignant. When are you monetizing genAI? Zoom, Adobe and Workday all got flack for noting what was kind of obvious--genAI is a feature not the end game.

Fast forward to January 2025 and copilot add-ons are toast. Oracle just launched AI agents for its sales applications without charging extra. Google Workspace dropped Gemini add-on charges, but raised business and enterprise plan prices. Microsoft launched Copilot Chat and now includes copilots in Microsoft 365 in many cases. There are charges for AI agents, but many genAI features will be bundled into enterprise plans.

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Microsoft did something similar with its consumer Microsoft 365 plans and now copilot is everywhere (even if you didn't want it). For what it's worth, I'm more of a Notepad person. Like my appliances, I often like my tools to be on the dumb side. Don't bog me down with features I don't need or want.

Now that Google and Microsoft have ditched the add-on game, rest assured that other software vendors will follow. The argument that genAI is all just part of the software has won out.

Sure, you'll be hit with other AI charges and consumption models, but the add-on game is over.

LLM pricing is going to collapse

The big news this week is that a Chinese AI company called DeepSeek set out to blow up OpenAI's business model. DeepSeek, combined with other open source large language models, is going to be a real threat to model pricing, which revolves around tokens and API calls. ByteDance, owner of TikTok, also released Doubao 1.5 Pro, a model with strong performance.

Yes, there are concerns about censorship on DeepSeek and Doubao 1.5 Pro, but the idea that you can get API access to DeepSeek's R1 model for 14 cents for a million tokens compared to OpenAI's $7.50 is disruptive. OpenAI is clearly positioned as a premium LLM model, but that pricing is disruptive for a company that can't make money on a $200 a month subscription plan.

This DeepSeek news landed on Monday and was overshadowed by an inauguration in the US featuring technology bigwigs, AI infrastructure plans and chatter out of Davos and earnings season.

Nevertheless, it's worth taking DeepSeek for a spin. Many of these models have caught up to what OpenAI can do and are likely good enough for most use cases.

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Simply put, LLM margin compression is here. The scary part is the LLM giants didn't have profit margins to begin with. LLMs are going to commodity in a hurry.

AI agents will require price transparency

Although vendors are wrapping in genAI as a bundle, the agentic AI as labor replacement/augmentation rap is just starting.

Enter the consumption model. Enterprises (allegedly) will pay for agentic AI conversations, problems solved and value created by the simple fact companies won't need to add a human.

The problem: The SaaS vendors pushing this agentic AI consumption model aren't used to the level of transparency needed yet.

Cloud providers have consumption dashboards, more transparent pricing and ways to manage costs. SaaS vendors simply don't.

Once consumption becomes part of the mix, SaaS vendors will have no choice but to be more transparent.

Today, SaaS packaging and contracts are complicated and the sales cadence is almost engineered so enterprises make tactical errors along the way. Companies will need to know exact costs by AI use case especially with agentic AI.

We'll have a hybrid seat, subscription and consumption model for the foreseeable future, but ultimately SaaS vendors are going to have to show the math behind the pricing. Value would be nice too.

What's next?

As early genAI pricing models are disrupted, you'll most SaaS vendors want to become platforms, LLMs bundled with broader software suites and a more holistic sales pitch.

SaaS vendors will want to be more like platforms that enterprises use to leverage AI. ServiceNow is already seen this way, but look for many vendors to follow the same path. What's unclear is whether CxOs who have been cross-sold to oblivion will suddenly think their vendors are platforms.

Meanwhile, LLM visionaries are going to attempt to look more like SaaS companies.

One thing that caught my eye out of Davos was Mistral's take that enterprises will move away from models and to systems. Mistral CEO Arthur Mensch told CNBC that models are merely part of systems that include data and tools that act as agents.

Cohere launched North, an AI platform that combines LLMs, search and agents in one collaboration platform. Anthropic is adding collaboration features as it expands use cases for its Claude models. OpenAI is also expanding but has largely focused on expanding into search to compete with Google.

If you follow the LLM players, it's clear that they think foundational models alone aren't going to pave the way to profitability.

The other thread to watch is how the hyperscalers fare in the agentic AI age. Consumption pricing is already there and AI makes it a lot easier for cloud giants to go vertical as well as horizontal.

In the end, 2025 is going to be a year where enterprise vendors attempt multiple models. And margin compression may be inevitable.

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Meta plans to end 2025 with 1.3 million GPUs and $60B to $65B spent on AI

Meta plans to end 2025 with 1.3 million GPUs and $60B to $65B spent on AI

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company spend $60 billion to $65 billion in capital expenditures largely focused on artificial intelligence.

In a post on Facebook, Zuckerberg outlined the company's 2025 goals. Zuckerberg also highlighted how Meta will build a 2GW+ data center that "is so large it would cover "a significant part of Manhattan."

Zuckerberg's disclosed AI spending spree lands a few weeks after Microsoft said it would spend $80 billion on capital expenditures. Meta's goals for 2025 go like this:

  • Meta AI will be the leading AI assistant serving more than 1 billion people.
  • Llama 4 will be the leading model.
  • The company will build an AI engineer "that will start contributing increasing amounts of code to our R&D efforts."
  • Meta will bring online 1GW of compute in 2025 and end the year with 1.3 million GPUs.
  • The company will expand its AI teams significantly.

Meta’s disclosure on capital spending comes as technology giants are tripping over themselves to highlight how much is being spent on AI infrastructure. This week, President Trump announced Stargate, an effort to invest $500 billion in AI infrastructure. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman was the lead on Stargate along with Softbank and Oracle, but Elon Musk questioned the funding behind it.

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Verizon launches AI Connect, courts AI inferencing workloads

Verizon launches AI Connect, courts AI inferencing workloads

Verizon outlined Verizon AI Connect in a strategy designed to put its network, compute and edge computing infrastructure in the middle of artificial intelligence inferencing workloads.

The company announced AI Connect along with its fourth quarter earnings. Verizon said it has Google Cloud and Meta as key customers for AI Connect.

With Verizon AI Connect, the company is looking to court hyperscale cloud providers and large enterprises with an edge to cloud network. AI Connect will feature Verizon's 5G network, high-speed fiber connectivity, edge locations and power and cooling.

Verizon added that it is looking to expand its AI efforts via partnerships with Nvidia, Vultr, which is a GPU-as-a-service provider, Google Cloud and Meta.

"Our industry sits at the center of the next wave of innovation as AI transforms how consumers and businesses operate," said Verizon CEO Hans Vestberg. "Our network assets and capabilities position us uniquely in this evolving landscape."

Vestberg said:

"If you think about where we are on generative AI today, today, it's large language modules that are trained at large data centers, and that requires enormous capacities. Over time, that will come much closer to the edge of the network, both for applications, but transport cost, and latency in some cases. This is creating an opportunity for us and has already created an opportunity as we had revenue and EBITDA impact in the fourth quarter. We are now looking into how we can use our assets and our capability to serve this market when it comes to the next step of generative AI."

Verizon's AI Connect effort is designed to utilize the company's existing assets including its fiber buildout and long-haul network to handle AI workloads. In addition, Verizon's Converged Intelligent Edge Network will play a role. 

The biggest argument for Verizon's AI Connect is that the AI infrastructure being built will need networking and connectivity to data centers and the edge. 

Kyle Malady, CEO of Verizon Business Group, said:

"As we move through our network transformation work, we will continue to free up more resources that could be made available for AI Connect. In addition, we have between 100 and 200 acres of undeveloped land, some currently zoned for data center build and much of it in prime data center-friendly areas."

In addition, Verizon has $1 billion in backlog just for its existing infrastructure, said Malady.

Verizon also reported fourth quarter and 2024 earnings.

The company reported fourth quarter earnings of $5.1 billion, or $1.18 a share, on revenue of $35.7 billion, up 1.6% from a year ago. Non-GAAP earnings were $1.10 a share.

For the year, Verizon reported earnings of $4.14 a share on revenue of $134.8 billion, up 0.6% from a year ago.

By the numbers:

  • Verizon reported fourth quarter wireless revenue of $20 billion, up 3.1% from a year ago.
  • The company had 568,000 postpaid net phone additions in the fourth quarter.
  • Broadband net additions were 408,000 in the fourth quarter.
  • Verizon added a net 373,000 fixed wireless access subscribers for a total of 4.6 million fixed wireless subscribers.

As for the outlook, Verizon is expecting total wireless service revenue growth of 2% to 2.8% and adjusted earnings per share growth of 0 to 3%.

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Scaling a Global Vacation Rental Software Platform | With Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader

Scaling a Global Vacation Rental Software Platform | With Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader

Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader said the best way to serve an industry with software is to come to it completely as a novice. The software as a service company is focused on vacation rental properties and the small businesses operating them. Hostaway recently raised $365 million in a round led by General Atlantic. Hostaway, which was the first property management system to integrate directly into OpenAI's ChatGPT, said it will use the money to expand globally and invest in AI.

Insights Editor in Chief Larry Dignan caught up with Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader to talk about technology. Here are the key takeaways...

Hostaway's core pitch. The company provides software for vacation rental property managers in charge of anywhere from 10 to 8,000 properties. "All of our customers are running remote operations and for that you need software to know what's going on and connect to the biggest companies in the space like Airbnb and VRBO," said Rader.

  • The advantages of being an outsider. "Most vertical software companies were started by people who are running a business in a certain industry and start building tools for that," said Rader. "We did the opposite. We're software people and had no experience whatsoever in vacation rentals when we started 10 years ago."
  • SMB challenges. Rader said Hostaway's approach is to look at what has worked and failed in other industries and then apply it to its vertical. SMBs can also be a challenge in that they may not know how to run a business. Hostaway aims to make those tasks easier.
  • The role of AI. Rader said AI has the potential to save a lot of time and money for Hostaway's customers. "AI is extremely important in our segment, because just like any hospitality business, the biggest expense is either the time you spend trying to delegate and teaching your staff, or the money that you're paying your staff," said Rader. "Every hour, every minute counts, and AI has the potential to save a lot of time and money. It's our top priority in 2025 to build out that functionality for our clients."
  • Process and efficiencies. Rader said process and efficiency plays a big role in AI. "We hate inefficiencies, especially when a company makes a decision and then two years later reverts to the old way," he said. "That's my definition of inefficiency and it's terrible. I see a lot of smaller property managers struggle with that. Their business is doing well until one day it isn't and they don't know why. And there's a ton of people more than willing to tell them that they will solve all of their problems if they give them money. Our goal is to make it easy as possible to pick the right solution when it comes to operational efficiency."

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OpenAI launches Operator, eyes AI agents without APIs

OpenAI launches Operator, eyes AI agents without APIs

OpenAI launched Operator, an AI agent that can use go to the web and perform tasks such as booking vacations, shopping for groceries and making restaurant reservations.

Operator is in research preview and the ability to interact with a webpage and use a mouse and keyboard follows a similar effort by Anthropic.

In a blog post and YouTube video, OpenAI walked through a few demonstrations. The general idea is that OpenAI's Operator can handle repetitive browser tasks using the same interface as humans. OpenAI is aiming to use agentic AI to popularize it with consumers, but the real money will be in business use cases. "Our plan is to expand to Plus, Team, and Enterprise users and integrate these capabilities into ChatGPT in the future," said the company.

For now, the Operator is available to ChatGPT Pro users.

Operator leverages GPT-4o's vision and reasoning features and a new model called Computer-Using Agent, or CUA, which interacts with graphical interfaces.

The key item here is that OpenAI Operator takes action on the web without APIs and custom integrations. If Operator gets stuck it can self-correct and hand back control to users.

Initially, Operator works with day-to-day services such as DoorDash, Instacart, OpenTable, Priceline, StubHub, Thumbtack and Uber. Over time, rest assured that OpenAI will expand to enterprise use cases.

OpenAI said it will provide an API for CUA for developers, enable Operator to handle more complex tasks and expand to enterprises.

On the safety front, Operator asks the user to takeover when it needs more information and credentials, confirm actions, decline sensitive tasks and require supervision to avoid mistakes.

 

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Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader on vacation rentals, SMBs, AI and innovation

Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader on vacation rentals, SMBs, AI and innovation


Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader said the best way to serve an industry with software is to come to it completely as a novice.

The software as a service company is focused on vacation rental properties and the small businesses operating them. Hostaway recently raised $365 million in a round led by General Atlantic. Hostaway, which was the first property management system to integrate directly into OpenAI's ChatGPT, said it will use the money to expand globally and invest in AI.

I caught up with Hostaway CEO Marcus Rader to talk about technology. Here are the takeaways.

Hostaway's core pitch. The company provides software for vacation rental property managers in charge of anywhere from 10 to 8,000 properties. "All of our customers are running remote operations and for that you need software to know what's going on and connect to the biggest companies in the space like Airbnb and VRBO," said Rader.

The advantages of being an outsider. "Most vertical software companies were started by people who are running a business in a certain industry and start building tools for that," said Rader. "We did the opposite. We're software people and had no experience whatsoever in vacation rentals when we started 10 years ago."

Rader said the first step was to learn about the industry. "What are vacation rentals all about? We started renting out properties. Just learn, in addition to talking to people. And then we started building the tools and the only global solution that's really available," said Rader, who noted Hostaway's first customer was in Portugal with an initial office in Barcelona.

A child's eye to starting a business. Rader said entering a new industry has its advantages. He said:

"One of the great things with entering a new industry is that it has preconceived notions of how things are supposed to be done, or how people think. Those truths are true, but the industry experts are often the last ones to notice when things change. That's why so many industries can be disrupted.

Taxis were not a new industry, but they were just doing the same cab rides they’d been doing for 50 years. Suddenly Uber came and took everything away. Being new in an industry you don't have opinions. You just listen to what customers want and go build it."

SMB challenges. Rader said Hostaway's approach is to look at what has worked and failed in other industries and then apply it to its vertical. SMBs can also be a challenge in that they may not know how to run a business. Hostaway aims to make those tasks easier.

The role of AI. Rader said AI has the potential to save a lot of time and money for Hostaway's customers. "AI is extremely important in our segment, because just like any hospitality business, the biggest expense is either the time you spend trying to delegate and teaching your staff, or the money that you're paying your staff," said Rader. "Every hour, every minute counts, and AI has the potential to save a lot of time and money. It's our top priority in 2025 to build out that functionality for our clients."

Process and efficiencies. Rader said process and efficiency plays a big role in AI. "We hate inefficiencies, especially when a company makes a decision and then two years later reverts to the old way," he said. "That's my definition of inefficiency and it's terrible. I see a lot of smaller property managers struggle with that. Their business is doing well until one day it isn't and they don't know why. And there's a ton of people more than willing to tell them that they will solve all of their problems if they give them money. Our goal is to make it easy as possible to pick the right solution when it comes to operational efficiency."

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Unlocking Real ROI from AI | Interviews from Davos 2025

Unlocking Real ROI from AI | Interviews from Davos 2025

🏔? LIVE FROM #Davos25: R "Ray" Wang talks with IBM's Neil Dhar on the future of #AI and consulting at the World Economic Forum (#WEF25). Here's a few key takeaways...

📌 Companies are now focused on driving real ROI from their AI investments, targeting 2-3x returns through productivity gains, increased sales, and cost reductions.
📌 Regulation and governance are critical to building trust in AI systems, especially around sensitive #data. Unlike the early days of social media, this needs to be integrated upfront.
📌 Examples of AI driving #innovation, including drug development acceleration in pharma and enhanced customer service in retail.
📌 Growth strategies are a major focus for hashtag#business leaders post-election and amid market stability.

💡Watch below to get the whole scoop, and follow R "Ray" Wang on LinkedIn and X (@rwang0) for live Davos updates!

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AI Adoption and the Future of Consulting | Interviews from Davos 2025

AI Adoption and the Future of Consulting | Interviews from Davos 2025

Tuning in from the World Economic Forum in Davos! 🌍 Constellation founder R "Ray" Wang talks with IBM's Mohamad Ali about 2025 consulting #trends... Key topics include:

📌 The critical importance of #AI adoption
📌 Overcoming cultural challenges to scaling AI
📌 Companies embracing AI will achieve 10x efficiency gains
📌Obstacles around employees adopting the new #technology

Both Ray and Mohamad agree there's more optimism in the air at Davos this year! Watch the full conversation here.

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